Abulsme.com: August 2017

Curmudgeon’s Corner: Punch the Cupcakes

On this week’s Curmudgeon’s Corner, guest host Brandy joins Sam to talk about this week’s news. The main topics for the week are of course the events in Charlottesville, everybody’s reactions to Charlottesville, the reactions to the reactions to Charlottesville, and the debate over Nazis and free speech. In addition, they also discuss Bannon’s departure, what that means to the administration, if we’re heading toward an invocation of the 25th amendment, Bannon’s “war”… and if the left should double down on their base or try to reach the Obama voters who flipped to Trump in 2016… and a few other things too.

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Show Details:

Recorded 2017-08-19
Length this week – 2:26:15

(0:00:17-0:20:30) But First
- Agenda
- Intro to Brandy
- Base vs Middle
- Why Fire District?
(0:21:15-1:14:42) Charlottesville
- What happened?
- Why is this different?
- Motivating resistance
- Has Trump done damage?
- Trump’s reactions
- Trump racist himself?
- Why is anyone surprised?
- Trump vs Pence
- What can R’s do?
- What’s next?
- Provoking violence
(1:15:48-2:03:00) Free Speech and Nazis
- Disclaimer
- Why Charlottesville isn’t a good example
- Sam and Ivan conversation
- Sam gets extreme on free speech
- What about politicians and war?
- Who gets to decide?
- Judging entire groups
- Actual speech vs symbols and code words
- What about private speech, newspapers, websites?
- Limits on government
- How big is the threat?
- Old doesn’t mean good
(2:04:08-2:25:55) Bannon Out
- Chaos or Improvement?
- Kelly in control?
- Trump and his Staff
- Controlling Trump
- 25th Amendment
- Bannon declaring war
- Everything messy

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@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-18 (UTC)

00:30:09 Retweeted @RepDonBeyer 2017-08-17 20:33:31 Trump’s Advisory Council on Infrastructure just folded following his unacceptable comments on Charlottesville.DurвЂ¦ https://t.co/htTJaMSbXo
00:36:26 Retweeted @tribelaw 2017-08-17 20:51:56 I’m accepting bets on when Corker will join McConnell, McCain, Graham, and Flake in Trump’s doghouse: https://t.co/9723VyacAS
01:10:38 Retweeted @blakehounshell 00:33:22 GOP consultants are practically like, “Psst, Democrats, ix-nay on the atues-stay. Nazis, make it about the Nazis.” https://t.co/h7RatSsuI2
01:16:46 Retweeted @joshtpm 01:09:25 May seem bad now for Trump but eventually news will pivot back from whether he loves Nazis to whether he conspired w Russia to win election.
01:18:08 Retweeted @Amy_Siskind 00:58:40 But there’s more…
Russia AND China booted The Daily Stormer.
https://t.co/aKFpsOdRPn
01:30:16 Retweeted @MichaelRStrain 00:56:21 These statements by the uniformed leaders of the military services, taken together, seem, to me, extraordinary. https://t.co/hQWhn674r8
14:31:24 Reading – I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It. (Julius Krein) https://t.co/Jbm2RiTv5B
15:18:13 Retweeted @davidfrum 13:26:13 Suggestion: if you want more people to quit the Trump train, the first react to a disembarkation should be вЂњWelcomeвЂќ not вЂњWhy not sooner?”
15:43:26 Reading – ACLU will no longer defend hate groups that protest with firearms (Josh Delk) https://t.co/OvfqCJAR5l
15:45:10 Retweeted @davidfrum 2017-08-17 21:00:12 Admit it: you’ve already forgotten that not even 3 weeks ago, Trump urged police to crack suspects’ heads on hoods of squad cars
15:48:33 Reading – Family Jumps Rising Drawbridge in Car, Lands on Other Side (Lozano/McCrone) https://t.co/A2XfmKWs0Q
15:50:54 Reading – White House review nears end: Officials expect Bannon firing (Jonathan Swan) https://t.co/XVwYkVDYkW
15:55:07 He would get paid. That is the important result that would be different. You need something else? https://t.co/0xXURzXJkP
17:12:40 Buh bye. (Until you show up on TV tomorrow.) https://t.co/1CJFWBUHMk
17:14:44 Uh. Ok. https://t.co/D6J7UYdwGL
17:21:42 Retweeted @imbou 17:20:29 @abulsme Not only does he get paid but he will hire the lowest possible paid people and make a huge profit! in reply to abulsme
19:54:53 Retweeted @gabrielsherman 17:14:42 Bannon friend says Breitbart ramping up for war against Trump. “It’s now a Democrat White House,” source says.
20:12:27 Reading – After Charlottesville, the First and Second Amendments Are Under Fire (David French) https://t.co/25rWF7YiCr
20:30:40 Retweeted @xeni 19:55:06 There’s a hidden message in the mass resignation letter from members of Trump’s Committee on Arts and Humanities https://t.co/S9l4gHpHjN
21:16:47 Retweeted @mattdpearce 20:56:25 oh. my. god. https://t.co/qOEpfRm9dP
21:26:47 Retweeted @LizMair 21:09:46 CNN says Bannon and Priebus thinking of opening up a consulting shop. Well then.
22:04:20 Reading – Bannon Is ‘Going Nuclear’ (Rosie Gray) https://t.co/4H1Cyc9zzj
22:07:24 Retweeted @liamstack 21:12:00 Bannon is said to remain loyal to President Trump. It’s everyone else in the administration that should be worried. https://t.co/vxgKOMTXHH
22:08:38 There ya go. Fun times coming! https://t.co/iM8zjZappg
22:12:23 Wasting no time. https://t.co/xvevy3VTOe
22:14:18 Retweeted @maggieNYT 22:06:24 In all seriousness, Bannon walked out of WH and into his newsroom, presumably with some info in hand https://t.co/chqW9tXV2b
22:14:34 Retweeted @CarlosLozadaWP 21:21:11 Priebus leaves: no more establishment influence!
Bannon leaves: blow to the nationalists!
Now it’s all about Trump. Like it always has been.
22:30:17 Listening to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History Show 60 – The Celtic Holocaust
via iCatcher! https://t.co/4XMfMiVAAb

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-17 (UTC)

04:15:06 Reading – Steve Bannon, Unrepentant (Robert Kuttner) https://t.co/uvxyKEU1jP
04:22:04 Reading – Trump and Charlottesville: вЂHe is stubborn and doesn’t realize how bad this is getting’ (Cook/Dawsey) https://t.co/8ilv9zgfJo
04:33:28 Reading – Trump’s lack of discipline leaves new chief of staff frustrated and dismayed (Parker/Costa) https://t.co/maBNbl4E2a
04:34:55 Retweeted @MichaelCBender 03:07:19 For those counting, we are 14% of the way in to President Trump’s 4-year term
04:36:55 Retweeted @AshleyRParker 02:52:35 Amazing @jdawsey1 + @nancook graph on what triggers Trump’s anger. https://t.co/WGzfimDM44 https://t.co/kuRj021css
05:10:54 @TankRiot Middle :-) in reply to TankRiot
05:13:10 Retweeted @washingtonpost 02:55:05 Hundreds march in candlelight vigil in Charlottesville in a demonstration contrasting with white nationalist parade https://t.co/3wp9fBslKN
05:16:06 Retweeted @laurenbergk 01:36:39 The Lawn at UVA is twinkling as more and more people walk in carrying candles #Charlottesville https://t.co/qCjdZiSEjd
05:30:38 Reading – Trump’s Embrace of Racially Charged Past Puts Republicans in Crisis (Peters/Martin/Healy) https://t.co/6lnSSM23C8
13:01:41 Retweeted @brianstelter 12:49:16 Dozens of GOP lawmakers ducking interview requests — will this continue today? https://t.co/nTaxqxP3TX https://t.co/Vv7F8GQ12q
13:06:26 Retweeted @stealthygeek 2017-08-16 14:07:21 The Nazi site Daily Stormer, formerly of godaddy, kicked off of google, is now being hosted in Russia, in case it needed to be more obvious.
13:41:33 Retweeted @leedrutman 13:11:06 This is why Republican leaders are struggling. Their supporters mostly agree with Trump. https://t.co/uV0jxPBv55
20:48:54 Reading – In 1939, I didn’t hear war coming. Now its thundering approach can’t be ignored (Harry Leslie Smith) https://t.co/B5SvzpecNm

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-16 (UTC)

00:15:11 Retweeted @JRubinBlogger 2017-08-15 23:25:03 Anyone want to argue HRC would be worse?
00:19:53 It is time for Republicans to start going beyond expressing how appalled they are and instead call for resignation. Not like he will. But…
00:22:01 If Trump goes, you’ll get Pence. Not Clinton. You’d really prefer Pence anyway, wouldn’t you? What is stopping you?вЂ¦ https://t.co/Vdb5UN2hnz in reply to abulsme
00:32:53 Retweeted @davidaxelrod 2017-08-15 23:33:52 Question is whether @POTUS gives a rat’s ass about what Republican electeds have to say about him. Alt right was & is his base, not @GOP.
00:33:22 Retweeted @Noahpinion 00:12:28 National spokesperson for the Republican National Committee here. Looks like GOP will sign on to Trump’s Nazi-apoloвЂ¦ https://t.co/AYZGwGWrDn
00:42:32 Retweeted @CaseyNewton 2017-08-15 21:20:35 Performance reviews this year should take into account that we were too stunned to work for six hours a day
00:45:21 Retweeted @mattmfm 00:44:00 Short of impeachment, this is a completely reasonable action for Congress to take. https://t.co/nOVwbhwNes
00:51:01 Retweeted @plantu 2017-08-14 05:47:45 MAISON BLANCHE. https://t.co/2uOmDy8Vyv
00:52:25 Retweeted @ChrisMurphyCT 2017-08-15 22:11:55 FYI, after today, White House staff have effectively been folded into the white supremacy propaganda operation. Your choice – stay or go.
00:52:55 Retweeted @matthewamiller 2017-08-15 20:16:03 Get him off the teleprompter for five minutes, and Trump will always show you exactly who he is.
00:58:06 Retweeted @Acosta 00:39:16 WH talking points: President is “entirely correct.” (This is just a portion provided by a source) https://t.co/0uTPOgc5RF
01:02:39 Retweeted @JordanUhl 00:27:49 Someone updated the list of Confederate presidents on Wikipedia https://t.co/lKfW7Ov1ao
01:03:26 Retweeted @ananavarro 00:37:11 If you are a black, Jewish, Latino or even just remotely sane Trump apologist on tv….this is a very good time to develop laryngitis.
01:08:31 Reading – Donald Trump Just Gave the Press Conference of the Alt-Right’s Dreams (David French) https://t.co/vjoFg0VYWu
01:08:52 Retweeted @kellymagsamen 00:09:39 That moment when you have to think about “containment” in terms other than foreign policy.
02:02:41 Retweeted @natsecHeather 01:33:28 Man whose son gave his life to defend his nation watches his boss give comfort to Nazis aiming to plunge it into ciвЂ¦ https://t.co/jdf78ALE01
02:10:29 Retweeted @MikeDrucker 2017-08-15 23:21:09 Remember when people got mad that Michelle Obama said kids should eat a vegetable?
02:11:40 Retweeted @brianstelter 02:09:40 At 10:07pm ET, this @BarackObama tweet became the most-liked tweet in Twitter history. cc: @realDonaldTrump https://t.co/qD0UygmTR1
02:16:43 Reading – Trump Gives White Supremacists an Unequivocal Boost (Thrush/Haberman) https://t.co/pK4CbcCYoJ
02:18:56 Retweeted @trevortimm 2017-08-15 14:42:20 Thankfully we can be sure NYPD would never try to use this law against Occupy or Black Lives Matter protesters. https://t.co/I0Ym9OcjKN
02:21:58 Retweeted @AstroKatie 2017-08-15 22:53:56 ok it’s very simple…if you’re against neo-Nazis, just raise your hand
…
not like that, Mr President
02:27:26 Retweeted @waltshaub 2017-08-15 22:04:21 Set aside the polls you’re checking for permission, Members of Congress. Your action/inaction in response to today’s remarks will define you
04:29:35 Retweeted @MarisaKabas 04:05:49 enjoy your nightmare about this mГ©nage a trois https://t.co/DBNxbTHFIM
05:08:10 I’d seen lots of people linking to this, but only now got to watch. It is a must watch. Vice on Charlottesville. -> https://t.co/ct7Glt2feY
05:33:21 @Blatherscribe Followup. Speaking of this specific case rather than the general case now that I’ve seen more, the NвЂ¦ https://t.co/PNOcV5VsRB in reply to abulsme
06:29:44 Retweeted @nancaroling 2017-08-13 00:39:37 by Dr. Seuss in 1941 https://t.co/c3sXVQAZZi
13:06:24 Reading – The philosophical principle white supremacists don’t want you to hear about (Valerie Aurora) https://t.co/5NegTkiEvO
23:52:49 Retweeted @WillieGeist 21:01:55 NEW: Sources close to @JohnKasich tell me, after Charlottesville, there is growing sense of “moral imperative” to primary Trump in 2020.
23:54:43 Retweeted @ChuckModi1 23:25:52 “Poll shows White Denial is still rampant about what life is like for blacks in the U.S.” There. Fixed.вЂ¦ https://t.co/VdRV3PI7ea
23:55:33 Retweeted @jonrog1 2017-08-15 16:40:07 Newt, people’s feelings change. One day everybody loves a statue, then suddenly they just want a new younger statueвЂ¦ https://t.co/LIFvf7ZosA
23:56:06 Retweeted @mkraju 22:23:16 Trump said counterprotestors didn’t have permits to protest, but turns out they did and had right to be there, per @BrianToddCNN
23:58:19 Retweeted @CleveJones1 17:59:04 Nazis coming to town? Here’s a positive and creative response. #Resist https://t.co/gcrHagYtJW

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-15 (UTC)

00:06:36 Reading – Bannon in Limbo as Trump Faces Growing Calls for the Strategist’s Ouster (Haberman/Thrush) https://t.co/JNf2g7jqSt
00:33:49 Retweeted @peterb 00:07:11 I have not followed the math through (and probably can’t) but if true: holy smokes. https://t.co/lYzP13pBVd (H/T @psu_13)
00:48:31 Retweeted @RoKhanna 2017-08-13 18:15:00 This is what it looks like when decades of income gains are funneled to the 1%. https://t.co/8Hk8wFOxQb
06:58:14 Reading – A closer look at DOJ’s warrant to collect website records (Orin Kerr) https://t.co/EA2CsJjpr2
07:02:09 Retweeted @yashar 05:29:54 It still stuns me that a late-night host is making statements like this about the President of the United States https://t.co/lUsdAPQy8X
15:44:39 Reading – The Ways Tech Companies Alienate Women (Katharine Zaleski) https://t.co/8TWgdZCSyt
16:53:11 Listening to BhTV: Drezburt (audio) Heather Hurlburt & Daniel Drezner
via iCatcher! https://t.co/H5tXy2S6QM
20:20:58 I’m working right now, so not following in detail, but a quick glance at Twitter tells me that Trump is being a national disgrace again.
20:28:29 Retweeted @ReaganBattalion 20:28:21 John Kelly during the President’s Q and A at Trump Tower.Photo Credit: @kristindonnelly https://t.co/J1YlPg6ldD
20:28:51 Retweeted @jimantle 20:28:14 I think we now know why President Trump did not take any questions after his Charlottesville statement yesterday.
21:30:29 Retweeted @rebliv 21:27:30 They’re doing a helluva job. https://t.co/aKUW40TZ4g
21:30:34 Retweeted @JennyGoodwinLav 21:21:34 This is what literal Nazis heard. https://t.co/YtKA4ESrw6
21:44:23 Retweeted @JeremyDDickey 21:44:10 “Presidents are supposed to bind up the wounds of the nation, not tear them apart.” –@davidaxelrod
21:44:49 Retweeted @rebliv 21:44:14 Then why am I trapped in this alt-wtf-happened-to-white-people hellscape? https://t.co/qHK3FWa6j5
21:56:36 Other transcripts don’t have the вЂњusвЂќ. Have not heard it myself. So not sure about the below. Rest of text speaks fвЂ¦ https://t.co/hRqQmxMQeu
22:16:55 Retweeted @elizacollins1 22:14:32 Deleted my tweet on the Trump transcript after Politico updated it, it did not say вЂњusвЂќ
22:32:50 Retweeted @yashar 22:32:28 Colbert Show Writer https://t.co/tssWXgYfbA
22:33:15 Retweeted @jeffzeleny 21:20:58 “That was all him — this wasn’t our plan,” a WH official tells me in candid moment as reality of what transpired sinks in at Trump Tower.
22:37:55 Any Trump cabinet members who might be thinking of resigning, please don’t. Trigger the 25th instead. Thanks.
22:38:48 Retweeted @SarcasticRover 22:35:21 You shouldn’t need to struggle to keep the president from defending goddam Nazis and White Supremacists on televisiвЂ¦ https://t.co/1yo2y1VFEj
23:11:56 Retweeted @ShimonPro 23:05:08 Uh-oh a source tells @SaraMurray new White House Chief of Staff John Kelly is very frustrated with how today played out.
23:13:29 Retweeted @LeoShane 23:06:59 That does not look good. https://t.co/hu6iwViPfw
23:15:20 Amazed at people who are reacting with shock as if Trump’s behavior is new. This has been him all along folks. Plenty of us warned you.
23:15:50 Retweeted @berfrois 23:07:21 Cartoon by @BJennings90 https://t.co/XoI2rwdFFd
23:20:11 Retweeted @rebliv 23:19:20 That’s like accepting a job working in a sewage drain and being frustrated with all the feces and urine coming downвЂ¦ https://t.co/NrbdnlYyea
23:31:54 Retweeted @adamnagourney 23:31:25 Pivot.
23:45:26 Retweeted @MarcFaletti 23:44:33 After Access Hollywood tape, Priebus allegedly told Trump to drop out. Paul Ryan told the House to go their own wayвЂ¦ https://t.co/AwGB5WhUwL
23:47:02 Retweeted @kevinroose 20:25:36 I’ve interviewed a lot of alt-right leaders recently. Trump just defended Charlottesville harder than many *actual white nationalists* did.

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-14 (UTC)

00:49:53 I often disagree w/@ggreenwald, but agree 100% here -> The Misguided Attacks on ACLU for Defending Neo-Nazis’ Rights https://t.co/o3dZHDDQqe
02:04:48 Retweeted @trevortimm 2017-08-13 21:14:22 This whole @ggreenwald piece defending @ACLU‘s principles is important, but this part is especially salient today:вЂ¦ https://t.co/sS1mnBBPsz
03:51:36 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 02:47:30 @abulsme I agree with protecting the rights even of the vile, but not with spending donor dollars to do so while igвЂ¦ https://t.co/BH9UKYtsYh in reply to abulsme
03:52:49 @Blatherscribe Disagree. If you don’t defend ALL cases, then you aren’t fully defending the principle, and a loss cвЂ¦ https://t.co/xn5qhV4hZ7 in reply to Blatherscribe
03:52:54 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 02:51:19 @abulsme There’s also an argument to be made that what Nazis do is not protected speech. They incite to violence and engage in violence. in reply to Blatherscribe
03:54:24 @Blatherscribe Once things move to actual actions rather than speech things change. Incitement clear sometimes. ButвЂ¦ https://t.co/0UHvYMKvO9 in reply to Blatherscribe
03:59:19 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 03:58:16 @abulsme But they don’t defend all cases. It troubles me when they chose to defend Nazis, who have wealthy supporteвЂ¦ https://t.co/1WxypGKEdc in reply to abulsme
04:00:30 @Blatherscribe No, not every case. But they pick the ones that they feel they can make the most difference on and aвЂ¦ https://t.co/SQCcZwFmun in reply to Blatherscribe
04:53:37 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 04:04:08 @abulsme I see it more as a cutoff point than a slope. If you incite to violence, you’re not protected. There are lвЂ¦ https://t.co/vi7XWemDKj in reply to abulsme
04:54:40 @Blatherscribe The question is what exactly is incitement. Some cases very clear. Others not so much. It isn’t a bright line. in reply to Blatherscribe
05:02:21 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 05:01:40 @abulsme In the specific case of Nazism, violence is inherent. Supporting genocide is incitement. There’s no such thing as a peaceful Nazi. in reply to abulsme
05:04:48 @Blatherscribe But there is a such thing as a Nazi who is not an imminent threat. And while they are evil and wrongвЂ¦ https://t.co/lOSc1BfrBc in reply to Blatherscribe
05:06:24 @Blatherscribe If nothing else, if we allow the govt to choose who to silence, that power will someday be in the haвЂ¦ https://t.co/HH9TmBCuar in reply to abulsme
06:01:11 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:01:03 @abulsme But there are already limits on free speech. Threats are illegal. Inciting violence is illegal. Inciting panic is illegal. in reply to abulsme
06:02:54 @Blatherscribe I’m talking what should be, not current law. IANAL. In any case, I don’t think the kinds of protestsвЂ¦ https://t.co/lCj7HCDRhA in reply to Blatherscribe
06:06:51 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:06:41 @abulsme The Nazis showed up heavily armed, prepared for violence, and then attacked, assaulted, killed. Their speeвЂ¦ https://t.co/AQwIgOZpxu in reply to abulsme
06:11:02 @Blatherscribe They were armed legally (unfortunately), and a small number became violent and should be charged. DoвЂ¦ https://t.co/22Z778JkfS in reply to Blatherscribe
06:11:16 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:10:10 @abulsme I stand for free speech. But I don’t have the right to advocate murder, and neither does anyone else. in reply to Blatherscribe
06:12:43 @Blatherscribe I’m not sure if anybody there was explicitly doing that. If so, maybe they could be charged for thatвЂ¦ https://t.co/s0qYz5aFg0 in reply to Blatherscribe
06:17:26 @Blatherscribe But also, how do you draw the line? Does advocating for war count? Or just 1 person killing another?вЂ¦ https://t.co/ySspzbJ7Ai in reply to abulsme
06:18:45 @Blatherscribe And what about the pro-life folks who think abortion is murder? If they are in charge can they blockвЂ¦ https://t.co/uBrZ5fuyGA in reply to abulsme
06:20:53 @Blatherscribe All of these are problems because WHO DECIDES? Once you allow speech to be blocked at all, it can beвЂ¦ https://t.co/yOznwNJsq4 in reply to abulsme
06:21:34 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:08:04 @abulsme Protest is saying DOWN WITH THIS INJUSTICE, not KILL ALL THESE PEOPLE. What the Nazis do is not protest, it’s terrorism. in reply to Blatherscribe
06:22:08 @Blatherscribe Protest is anybody saying they think someone else is wrong. Protest is not always just or good. SomeвЂ¦ https://t.co/0AGbPfOELa in reply to Blatherscribe
06:24:49 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:24:28 @abulsme But speech is already blocked, in many ways. I’m not demanding new rules, I’m saying the existing onces should be enforced better. in reply to abulsme
06:27:39 @Blatherscribe The existing rules allow the Nazis to march and speak. As they should. This has been tested in courtвЂ¦ https://t.co/xKhSfldP2o in reply to Blatherscribe
06:27:54 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:25:51 @abulsme If I were to say the same things Nazis say, but direct them toward upper-class white men, I’d be arrestedвЂ¦ https://t.co/TU3F3xG2LW in reply to Blatherscribe
06:28:52 @Blatherscribe If that is true, the problem would be that they arrested you. Not that they didn’t arrest the Nazis. in reply to Blatherscribe
06:34:48 @Blatherscribe Fact that police were far more violent on Ferguson demonstrators than Nazis doesn’t mean be harsherвЂ¦ https://t.co/jXzzKTKYE0 in reply to abulsme
06:35:06 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:34:28 @abulsme Sorry old friend, I can’t agree. Most of the world gets along just fine prohibiting incitement to genocideвЂ¦ https://t.co/Qo8ocHCFAe in reply to abulsme
06:38:45 @Blatherscribe Prohibiting explicit incitement to genocide would probably meet my criteria too. Don’t think that baвЂ¦ https://t.co/BCLmBZc6mf in reply to Blatherscribe
06:40:57 @Blatherscribe In the end, any tools that allow silencing of those we hate will eventually be used to silence thoseвЂ¦ https://t.co/7vpkUt8EkH in reply to abulsme
06:41:16 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:40:40 @abulsme I have a feeling we disagree more about the method of evaluation than the principle. in reply to abulsme
06:42:37 @Blatherscribe We differ on exactly where to draw the line. And that is the problem. Someone will eventually draw tвЂ¦ https://t.co/K19YDfIlXE in reply to Blatherscribe
06:43:49 @Blatherscribe In any case, I must go. Sorry we disagree but good to talk with you again. I’ll probably be arguingвЂ¦ https://t.co/Jf8nHsVjnd in reply to abulsme
06:44:15 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:44:00 @abulsme That’s inevitable. It happens every day, in so many things. It’s why we fight in the courts and march in the streets. in reply to abulsme
06:45:04 @Blatherscribe Very true. And let’s leave it at a point of agreement. Goodnight. :-) in reply to Blatherscribe
07:52:22 Retweeted @RationalWiki 07:05:06 certificate of hitlertude, signed by @sfmnemonic https://t.co/HwhDhCQZZv https://t.co/FGAKNin03s
16:24:47 Do we really need Russians for this too? -> Spencer and His Ilk Are Agents of Russian Influence (John Schindler) https://t.co/KobmLvVVRZ
23:30:56 Retweeted @bartongellman 20:29:31 The fact that @DreamHost fights grossly overbroad demands like this is one reason I host my own site there. https://t.co/XtqfGFwsqz in reply to bartongellman
23:42:09 The company where my sites are hosted -> We Fight for the Users (DreamHost) https://t.co/PNxiLuuzMj

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-13 (UTC)

00:08:10 Reading – The Alt-Right’s Chickens Come Home to Roost (David French) https://t.co/MGeqWP2JHr
00:20:11 Retweeted @JRubinBlogger 2017-08-12 23:33:24 I repeat: Those who said HRC would be worse should hang their heads in shame.
00:41:56 Retweeted @MaggieJordanACN 00:38:09 A ‘Presidential’ Thread. https://t.co/Xg0hnXL6QE
00:53:55 Retweeted @MichaelRudzena 2017-08-12 20:36:00 Critique mainline churches or spirituality all you want but when stuff goes down where are YOU? #respect https://t.co/rG1zzNJuZu
00:56:18 Retweeted @CrimeADay 00:35:35 18 USC В§2101(a)(3) makes it a federal crime to travel to another state to commit an act of violence in furtherance of a riot.
01:04:04 Retweeted @NBC29 00:27:38 JUST IN: Charlottesville giving Police Chief Al Thomas right to call curfew on city. No decision made yet. https://t.co/OiXQNPPp34
01:05:31 Retweeted @TheChrisSuprun 00:33:46 #THREAD
This is why as a Republican Elector I voted for @JohnKasich.
The silence from most corners of GOP is why IвЂ¦ https://t.co/R1pNZSqzNt
01:10:48 Retweeted @JoeBiden 2017-08-12 22:18:28 There is only one side. #charlottesville
01:13:03 Retweeted @ZerlinaMaxwell 00:56:38 My former boss @jmpalmieri on December 1, 2016. <symbol><symbol> https://t.co/XSMOzwtawx
01:14:18 Retweeted @owillis 01:03:10 Trump got the 3am call.
Slept in.
Then sided with the terrorists.
01:21:58 Retweeted @Richard_Schiff 2017-08-12 21:36:55 Make no mistake. When Donald Trump loses election or is impeached he will incite these most fanatic supporters to vвЂ¦ https://t.co/0MsvI6MI8N
01:26:27 Thread https://t.co/P5pX28bvUA
01:27:17 Retweeted @GranbyCTPolice 2017-08-10 15:17:09 If you are missing this, please contact the Granby Police. No, we are not kidding. https://t.co/jAGbo42oNr
01:40:23 Retweeted @MaggieJordanACN 01:37:43 Now can we call them “deplorables”?
Asking for a friend.
02:16:59 Even Ted Cruz? https://t.co/5XKomAQKfJ
03:36:33 My вЂњfeatured Wiki of the DayвЂќ podcast just hit Episode 100 with an episode on Bert T. Combs: https://t.co/XhBz6GLiPv
05:09:36 Retweeted @ryanjreilly 02:56:17 BREAKING: DOJ opens federal investigation into Charlottesville: https://t.co/p9PyigjpHA
05:44:55 Retweeted @Home_Halfway 05:23:39 This is Heather Heyer. She was killed by the Nazi who ran people over in #Charlottesville. She died fighting whiteвЂ¦ https://t.co/SADUk5ms6C
05:47:35 Retweeted @ryanstruyk 03:51:47 The last two Republican nominees for President of the United States. https://t.co/xep3pwismi
06:32:17 Retweeted @dellcam 06:01:31 Heather’s last post on Facebook reads: “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.” https://t.co/Sn2YSy9XAU
07:28:03 Retweeted @Popehat 04:05:33 They weren’t wearing hoods because you voted for Trump and told them they didn’t need to.
07:51:07 Retweeted @OmanReagan 02:47:20 1947 anti-fascist video made by US military to teach citizens how to avoid falling for people like Trump is relevanвЂ¦ https://t.co/7zIFU7avWP
22:15:00 Retweeted @KING5Seattle 22:12:58 #BREAKING Flash bangs and pepper spray deployed in downtown Seattle where opposing rallies fill the streets:вЂ¦ https://t.co/CZg255b8Zt
22:16:34 Retweeted @askhalid 2017-08-12 21:47:53 Tiki puts out statement renouncing use of its torches by white nationalists in Charlottesville: https://t.co/a2mVXAuPCR

@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-12 (UTC)

00:13:13 Oh. OK. -> Applebee’s is done trying to win over millennials (Abha Bhattarai) https://t.co/vSdoQwL1Uo
00:39:21 Retweeted @prchovanec 2017-08-11 23:47:39 But the idea has been planted, and will gnaw at him.
Inception. https://t.co/lLdxhB95uj
00:45:35 Retweeted @HeerJeet 2017-08-11 23:47:30 Both Bushes. Also Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford. Soon Trump will be down the memory hole. All that will remain is ReaganвЂ¦ https://t.co/wLTHHrsRIN
00:48:34 Retweeted @20committee 00:45:23 Trump hates being POTUS. He ran for the job as a publicity stunt. This wasn’t supposed to happen. He wants out & Mueller’s taking forever.
00:51:53 My favorite of all time. Loved this set. https://t.co/aAt8ChlA2G
00:54:12 Retweeted @Dinamico_7 2017-08-11 22:04:04 @KatyTurNBC A comment and reply by a Marine under a post about North Korea’s threat to attack Guam. https://t.co/hsQmFKKaGL in reply to KatyTurNBC
01:07:32 Retweeted @SwiftOnSecurity 00:36:08 HILLARY SAT STRAPPED TO THE FLOOR OF A MILITARY CARGO PLANE WITH A TINY LITTLE DESK READING INTELLIGENCE REPORTS https://t.co/zEZXgEp2O3 in reply to SwiftOnSecurity
03:07:19 As a Gen Xer, I endorse this view -> Why Generation X Might Be Our Last, Best Hope (Rich Cohen) https://t.co/JznKSGE2zC
03:33:11 Reading – Trump D.C. hotel turns $2 million profit in four months (Jonathan O’Connell) https://t.co/5lVOrsvzRB
03:34:20 Retweeted @kurteichenwald 01:41:21 Great. Now the Pentagon is issuing a statement saying essentially “Ignore Trump on Venezuela. He’s an idiot.”Thank God Mattis is there.
05:49:11 Retweeted @Gus_802 05:18:17 Congrats Republican Party.You built this.
05:50:21 Retweeted @joshtpm 05:36:26 This is a horrible picture . But man does it capture a lot. A whole lot. https://t.co/6kK2dPBWzt
06:06:53 Retweeted @daveweigel 06:05:55 Making Fun of Tiki Nazis Twitter is extremely good Twitter.
06:12:33 Retweeted @paleofuture 06:00:29 I, for one, am shocked that the torch-bearing Nazi rally turned violent. https://t.co/bBYnpoZ4zn
06:12:55 Retweeted @PollsterPatrick 06:00:20 I think the NJ Police are actually urging me to carry a sonic screwdriver.
which considering how things are going,вЂ¦ https://t.co/BsPaQjJlzx
15:44:53 Retweeted @trekonomics 05:09:17 Pick a torch, America https://t.co/K1UQKNufal
15:47:30 Retweeted @UR_Ninja 2017-08-11 23:08:54 While it’s billed as a conservative unity event, data from #UniteTheRight FB event shows how attendees self-identifвЂ¦ https://t.co/4clnHGmq6K
15:55:50 Retweeted @BuzzFeedNews 15:39:22 BREAKING: #Charlottesville officials have declared the Unite the Right rally an unlawful assembly. People are beingвЂ¦ https://t.co/lGQpFkCh7y
16:24:22 Retweeted @missbreton 15:59:58 The new KKK uniform sucks https://t.co/LuyOtcIMsa
17:57:10 Oh no. https://t.co/yyXfXT3J9l
18:04:04 Sigh. https://t.co/K5xxrRT6u2
18:26:40 Retweeted @brennanmgilmore 18:13:38 Video of car hitting anti-racist protestors. Let there be no confusion: this was deliberate terrorism. My prayers wвЂ¦ https://t.co/urTneNvAge
18:29:52 Retweeted @JordanUhl 18:10:04 Hard to watch. Raw footage of a car plowing into protesters in #Charlottesville. https://t.co/aASpT2dfsT
18:41:31 Retweeted @ZeddRebel 15:51:52 A fucking hockey team is disavowing this Nazi shit before the President of the United States https://t.co/s4aB0g74jd
18:48:44 Retweeted @scalzi 01:29:38 “Asshole” is not a protected class under the law.
18:50:37 Retweeted @jaketapper 18:44:35 The problem with vague condemnations of hatred is they allow hate groups to interpret the condemnations as they seeвЂ¦ https://t.co/8god2wHBIW
19:14:41 Retweeted @FrankLuntz 19:13:39 (Unverified) Snapchat screencap showing driver of the car that rammed a crowd being arrested. #Charlottesville https://t.co/qJXbaG6tNp in reply to FrankLuntz
19:21:25 Holy crap that second photo. https://t.co/1OceWC2uIK
19:23:47 Retweeted @nycsouthpaw 19:23:11 Charlottesville’s Mayor confirms one dead https://t.co/SzGjih1HxX
19:31:26 Retweeted @matthewamiller 19:29:50 Incredibly weak. FBI has long history investigating white supremacy groups that engage in violence. Should be direcвЂ¦ https://t.co/VfQ4RzOqBI
19:37:25 вЂњMany sidesвЂќ? Fuck you Donald.
19:38:56 Retweeted @V3CK3R 19:37:58 @abulsme Why is he talking about jobs?? in reply to abulsme
19:39:12 @V3CK3R Pivoting away from the core of the issue as quickly as possible. in reply to V3CK3R
19:40:22 Retweeted @intelwire 19:39:57 But enough about that, let’s talk about how great I am.
19:40:41 Retweeted @AndrewKirell 19:39:30 Car plows through anti-racism protest. Trump’s reax:
вЂ”Hatred is вЂњon many sides.вЂќ
вЂ”Partly Obama’s fault.
вЂ”Great employment numbers right now.
19:41:10 Retweeted @kylegriffin1 19:40:59 Trump, once again, does not specifically mention the actions of white nationalists. https://t.co/E4tUA2dove
19:56:35 Retweeted @NAACP 19:51:39 Guess it’s hard to disavow bigots and hate when they are amongst your key strategists. #Charlottesville
20:12:41 Thread https://t.co/Siux7AZRXw
20:14:38 This is not hard. Or shouldn’t be. https://t.co/dA8AH7aVRK
20:16:24 Retweeted @matthewjdowd 20:13:51 Didn’t President Trump say that if you are unwilling to call terrorism by name specifically then you aren’t doing anything about it?
20:17:29 Retweeted @jfagone 20:16:01 It’s so easy to condemn white supremacist violence by name that even Mike Huckabee can do it. But Trump can’t, andвЂ¦ https://t.co/MAAApqZS6O
20:20:00 Retweeted @DavidAFrench 20:04:31 Trump is very, very specific when he wants to condemn someone – ask the Khans, Judge Curiel, Comey, his AG – his vagueness has a purpose.
20:27:59 Retweeted @LarrySabato 18:41:58 A favorite JFK quote: “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.’
20:31:36 Retweeted @4lisaguerrero 05:17:46 Time to stop calling them “Alt-Right” and start calling them “Nazis”. https://t.co/sViA2ENCY1
20:38:29 Curmudgeon’s Corner: Something that Scary https://t.co/sklnrBLqk7 https://t.co/gFVSsmuP76
20:43:06 Retweeted @markknoller 20:37:43 Neil Chayet, longtime host of CBS Radio’s “Looking at the Law,” died yesterday. He was 78. Was a great radio feature., taught us the law.
20:48:35 Retweeted @rezaaslan 19:00:23 These are the people that Trump ordered the DHS to stop investigating. https://t.co/NjC5J4D8Zh
20:51:10 Retweeted @BNONews 17:54:28 Price of digital currency Bitcoin rises to all-time high of $4,000; price has quadrupled since January 1 https://t.co/KptbyZmxqe
20:53:45 Retweeted @KateNocera 20:49:15 1st Republican Senator I’ve seen call out Trump https://t.co/VSakesu8Tc
20:54:32 Retweeted @JuliusGoat 20:01:10 The president ran as a Nazi
He was cheered as a Nazi
He was saluted as a Nazi
He hired Nazis
No surprise he would cover for Nazis #manysides
21:11:20 Retweeted @joshrogin 21:11:03 Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent –
Isaac Asimov
21:12:23 Retweeted @JoshuaGreen 21:02:29 Trump came under pressure to condemn alt-right racism during the campaign and refused. In my book, Bannon explainedвЂ¦ https://t.co/wMijL9wjv6
21:18:44 Retweeted @W7VOA 21:18:37 A reporter says a #Virginia State Police helicopter has crashed in Charlottesville area. https://t.co/gzosgvjLNX
21:29:55 Too late. https://t.co/QZKcoiZ8U2
22:06:09 Retweeted @KrangTNelson 19:58:09 I keep trying to tweet “nazis killed a peaceful protester” and it’s autocorrecting to “one dead in clash with counterprotesters”. weird
22:07:28 Retweeted @jamisonfoser 20:23:45 I know this seems bad but remember Hillary Clinton used a personal email account so we dodged a bullet there.https://t.co/FBfDb2Y9zU
22:08:37 Retweeted @ananavarro 22:01:49 @jmeacham, this American is ready to judge him harshly now. Trump’s statement was sorely lacking moral clarity andвЂ¦ https://t.co/E3tguwxPjj
22:23:59 I’ve been having trouble seeing this whole thread from people retweeting the first tweet. So here is the last. ClicвЂ¦ https://t.co/WAohQyh61V
22:36:24 Retweeted @justkelly_ok 22:31:50 These dudes are now accusing a Michigan teen of the death in C’ville.He’s already posted on Facebook saying it isвЂ¦ https://t.co/gd8Ry5rJfP
22:42:12 Retweeted @TVMcGee 22:28:22 Oh God even Rubio gets it. https://t.co/inIbjhSqJV
22:45:42 Retweeted @JuddLegum 22:23:52 White supremacists cheer Trump’s response to Charlottesville violence https://t.co/0G4Wnqw2Rx https://t.co/umc1fJQyzD
23:23:03 Retweeted @AndyRichter 23:04:45 GOP strategist https://t.co/ecg3kego9q
23:25:28 Retweeted @BenHowe 20:13:18 You are the wound. https://t.co/tVl5n17mkp
23:30:36 Retweeted @rebeccagberg 22:54:49 No mention of one person killed and 19 others injured after car plowed into crowd of counter-protestors https://t.co/1U5FQH6l2L
23:37:45 Retweeted @soledadobrien 22:02:33 In case you’re wondering if President Trump inspires neo-nazis–this is from their publication The Daily Stormer: https://t.co/cT4OZv7VMP
23:42:55 Retweeted @OhNoSheTwitnt 23:34:23 Jesus fucking Christ we went from Obama to this https://t.co/69kLAIsq6y
23:44:24 Retweeted @JYSexton 23:36:20 Six terribly written tweets and an inappropriate, shameful speech later, and Trump has yet to condemn hate groups and white nationalism.

Curmudgeon’s Corner: Something that Scary

This week on Curmudgeon’s Corner, Sam and Ivan talk about North Korea, that Google document, Venezuela, the raid on Manafort, the latest from Trump, a book Sam read, and more! Oh, and we announce a Slack for the show. Enjoy!

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(0:12:41-0:40:05) North Korea
- Fire and Fury
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- 25th Amendment
- High Risk
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- Trump Engagement
(0:40:51-1:02:12) Google Doc
- Lip Service
- Distributions
- Ivan’s Evolution
- Should he have been fired?
- What if this was external?
(1:03:33-1:39:30) Lightning Round
- Venezuela
- Book: Spam (2013)
- Manafort Raid
- Leaks and Infighting
- Trump Statements
- Divisions on the left
- New download record

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@abulsme tweets from 2017-08-11 (UTC)

00:00:43 I had been avoiding reading this donuts and water thing because it sounded stupid. It is. -> Our Revolution Takes Issue With DNC (Cramer)
00:15:00 Interesting Read -> How Identity Became A Weapon Against The Left (Briahna Joy Gray) https://t.co/rEcHNYyNjs
01:47:01 This makes me so mad. https://t.co/YF0kg3TiL1
05:32:06 Retweeted @AmyNotAmy 03:30:52 @abulsme I just…. I have no clue how anyone could do this, let alone consider it as simple “bullying” in reply to abulsme
05:32:54 Retweeted @NWSSeattle 03:31:56 Average high temperature in Seattle for the 1st 10 days of August 88.1В°, the warmest 1st 10 days of August in over 120 yrs of records. #wawx
06:07:47 Reading – Trump thanks Putin for expelling U.S. diplomats, infuriating State Department (Toosi/Conway) https://t.co/CTudQpqnAa
06:22:12 Oh come on, as if you know where it is. https://t.co/cNaxo0OkAg
13:06:55 Retweeted @colindickey 12:47:47 As a Gen Xer I’ll be completely unsurprised if a nuclear war is started by a Boomer and Millennial arguing over who’s more important.
13:09:04 Retweeted @EliotHiggins 12:12:47 There’s a non-zero chance of this happening: https://t.co/tRbzucOQAU
13:09:50 Retweeted @eclecticbrotha 11:54:17 Good morning, America. The time is now Oh Sh*t O’Clock. https://t.co/npuWv04UYD
13:24:39 Retweeted @AngryBlackLady 2017-08-10 17:08:50 White House adviser should go fuck himself https://t.co/ngTKUWQO3P
13:27:25 Retweeted @PabloTorre 11:58:34 Threatening nuclear war on Twitter feels like a terms of service violation
13:28:10 Retweeted @zeynep 13:09:35 Anyone who couldn’t see why a mad king was vastly more dangerous than a liberal hawk should be re-examining how they could be so wrong.
13:41:47 Retweeted @nktpnd 12:27:26 This week has been a masterclass in how not to do deterrence. https://t.co/CETLADVlsz
13:59:39 My вЂњpopular Wiki of the DayвЂќ podcast just hit Episode 100 with an episode on United States military chocolate: https://t.co/k6Q2pGhlcN
14:13:46 My вЂњrandom Wiki of the DayвЂќ podcast just hit Episode 100 with an episode on Paul Jackson (game producer): https://t.co/ULG6L7Oxm5
15:16:31 Does Trump know about this? https://t.co/gytucsysrj
19:08:59 Reading – I’m a woman in computer science. Let me ladysplain the Google memo to you. (Cynthia Lee) https://t.co/oVxUXCMsdz
20:17:56 This is very cool -> Leaving town at rush hour? Here’s how far you’re likely to get. (Chinoy) https://t.co/1xodgp0A1L
21:45:29 Retweeted @mchorowitz 20:54:36 Think this is a key point. Whether or not war occurs, the US military does not appear to be behaving as if war is iвЂ¦ https://t.co/UkHLgNMtbv
22:04:17 Retweeted @EyePatchGuy 18:28:40 Restaurant Customers Can’t Fucking Add, Decide To Sue Over Their Own Stupidity https://t.co/Lr8mwa28si
22:13:49 Trump prefers TWO scoops! https://t.co/EFonYB1zLn
22:21:31 Reading – Trump Has Been Thinking About Nuclear War for Decades. Here’s Why That’s Scary. (David Corn) https://t.co/Xf4yoT446S
22:22:40 Retweeted @RadioFreeTom 2017-08-10 19:22:55 For years, I said Obama foreign policy was like a bunch of IR grad students. This is now the opposite, and I would gladly take them back.
22:22:44 Retweeted @MaxBoot 20:32:14 I was critical of Obama too but his presidency now seems like a lost golden age. https://t.co/SLFZQ7qtGm
22:23:55 Retweeted @blakehounshell 22:20:41 Trump just handed Maduro a huge gift
23:54:47 Retweeted @prchovanec 23:49:00 The insinuations were by the President of the United States … and yeah, probably are baseless. https://t.co/bGzy7oogax

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