- 00:49:53 I often disagree w/@ggreenwald, but agree 100% here -> The Misguided Attacks on ACLU for Defending Neo-Nazis’ Rights https://t.co/o3dZHDDQqe
- 02:04:48 Retweeted @trevortimm 2017-08-13 21:14:22 This whole @ggreenwald piece defending @ACLU‘s principles is important, but this part is especially salient today:… https://t.co/sS1mnBBPsz
- 03:51:36 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 02:47:30 @abulsme I agree with protecting the rights even of the vile, but not with spending donor dollars to do so while ig… https://t.co/BH9UKYtsYh in reply to abulsme
- 03:52:49 @Blatherscribe Disagree. If you don’t defend ALL cases, then you aren’t fully defending the principle, and a loss c… https://t.co/xn5qhV4hZ7 in reply to Blatherscribe
- 03:52:54 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 02:51:19 @abulsme There’s also an argument to be made that what Nazis do is not protected speech. They incite to violence and engage in violence. in reply to Blatherscribe
- 03:54:24 @Blatherscribe Once things move to actual actions rather than speech things change. Incitement clear sometimes. But… https://t.co/0UHvYMKvO9 in reply to Blatherscribe
- 03:59:19 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 03:58:16 @abulsme But they don’t defend all cases. It troubles me when they chose to defend Nazis, who have wealthy supporte… https://t.co/1WxypGKEdc in reply to abulsme
- 04:00:30 @Blatherscribe No, not every case. But they pick the ones that they feel they can make the most difference on and a… https://t.co/SQCcZwFmun in reply to Blatherscribe
- 04:53:37 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 04:04:08 @abulsme I see it more as a cutoff point than a slope. If you incite to violence, you’re not protected. There are l… https://t.co/vi7XWemDKj in reply to abulsme
- 04:54:40 @Blatherscribe The question is what exactly is incitement. Some cases very clear. Others not so much. It isn’t a bright line. in reply to Blatherscribe
- 05:02:21 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 05:01:40 @abulsme In the specific case of Nazism, violence is inherent. Supporting genocide is incitement. There’s no such thing as a peaceful Nazi. in reply to abulsme
- 05:04:48 @Blatherscribe But there is a such thing as a Nazi who is not an imminent threat. And while they are evil and wrong… https://t.co/lOSc1BfrBc in reply to Blatherscribe
- 05:06:24 @Blatherscribe If nothing else, if we allow the govt to choose who to silence, that power will someday be in the ha… https://t.co/HH9TmBCuar in reply to abulsme
- 06:01:11 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:01:03 @abulsme But there are already limits on free speech. Threats are illegal. Inciting violence is illegal. Inciting panic is illegal. in reply to abulsme
- 06:02:54 @Blatherscribe I’m talking what should be, not current law. IANAL. In any case, I don’t think the kinds of protests… https://t.co/lCj7HCDRhA in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:06:51 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:06:41 @abulsme The Nazis showed up heavily armed, prepared for violence, and then attacked, assaulted, killed. Their spee… https://t.co/AQwIgOZpxu in reply to abulsme
- 06:11:02 @Blatherscribe They were armed legally (unfortunately), and a small number became violent and should be charged. Do… https://t.co/22Z778JkfS in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:11:16 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:10:10 @abulsme I stand for free speech. But I don’t have the right to advocate murder, and neither does anyone else. in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:12:43 @Blatherscribe I’m not sure if anybody there was explicitly doing that. If so, maybe they could be charged for that… https://t.co/s0qYz5aFg0 in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:17:26 @Blatherscribe But also, how do you draw the line? Does advocating for war count? Or just 1 person killing another?… https://t.co/ySspzbJ7Ai in reply to abulsme
- 06:18:45 @Blatherscribe And what about the pro-life folks who think abortion is murder? If they are in charge can they block… https://t.co/uBrZ5fuyGA in reply to abulsme
- 06:20:53 @Blatherscribe All of these are problems because WHO DECIDES? Once you allow speech to be blocked at all, it can be… https://t.co/yOznwNJsq4 in reply to abulsme
- 06:21:34 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:08:04 @abulsme Protest is saying DOWN WITH THIS INJUSTICE, not KILL ALL THESE PEOPLE. What the Nazis do is not protest, it’s terrorism. in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:22:08 @Blatherscribe Protest is anybody saying they think someone else is wrong. Protest is not always just or good. Some… https://t.co/0AGbPfOELa in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:24:49 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:24:28 @abulsme But speech is already blocked, in many ways. I’m not demanding new rules, I’m saying the existing onces should be enforced better. in reply to abulsme
- 06:27:39 @Blatherscribe The existing rules allow the Nazis to march and speak. As they should. This has been tested in court… https://t.co/xKhSfldP2o in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:27:54 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:25:51 @abulsme If I were to say the same things Nazis say, but direct them toward upper-class white men, I’d be arrested… https://t.co/TU3F3xG2LW in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:28:52 @Blatherscribe If that is true, the problem would be that they arrested you. Not that they didn’t arrest the Nazis. in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:34:48 @Blatherscribe Fact that police were far more violent on Ferguson demonstrators than Nazis doesn’t mean be harsher… https://t.co/jXzzKTKYE0 in reply to abulsme
- 06:35:06 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:34:28 @abulsme Sorry old friend, I can’t agree. Most of the world gets along just fine prohibiting incitement to genocide… https://t.co/Qo8ocHCFAe in reply to abulsme
- 06:38:45 @Blatherscribe Prohibiting explicit incitement to genocide would probably meet my criteria too. Don’t think that ba… https://t.co/BCLmBZc6mf in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:40:57 @Blatherscribe In the end, any tools that allow silencing of those we hate will eventually be used to silence those… https://t.co/7vpkUt8EkH in reply to abulsme
- 06:41:16 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:40:40 @abulsme I have a feeling we disagree more about the method of evaluation than the principle. in reply to abulsme
- 06:42:37 @Blatherscribe We differ on exactly where to draw the line. And that is the problem. Someone will eventually draw t… https://t.co/K19YDfIlXE in reply to Blatherscribe
- 06:43:49 @Blatherscribe In any case, I must go. Sorry we disagree but good to talk with you again. I’ll probably be arguing… https://t.co/Jf8nHsVjnd in reply to abulsme
- 06:44:15 Retweeted @Blatherscribe 06:44:00 @abulsme That’s inevitable. It happens every day, in so many things. It’s why we fight in the courts and march in the streets. in reply to abulsme
- 06:45:04 @Blatherscribe Very true. And let’s leave it at a point of agreement. Goodnight. :-) in reply to Blatherscribe
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- 16:24:47 Do we really need Russians for this too? -> Spencer and His Ilk Are Agents of Russian Influence (John Schindler) https://t.co/KobmLvVVRZ
- 23:30:56 Retweeted @bartongellman 20:29:31 The fact that @DreamHost fights grossly overbroad demands like this is one reason I host my own site there. https://t.co/XtqfGFwsqz in reply to bartongellman
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