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@abulsme tweets from 2016-10-17 (UTC)

Electoral College: Trump bottoms out?

States with new poll data added since the last update: Everywhere except Alaska, DC, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wyoming, and the Nebraska congressional districts.

Notable changes in: Indiana and the tipping point

National Summary

We now have plenty of polls that are after the Access Hollywood tape and after the 2nd debate, and even a few from after the various sexual assault allegations leveled against Donald Trump. The averages go back further, often covering 2-3 weeks, even for the close states. But we are getting to the point where we should be seeing impact from those events.

After the first debate, we did see a big drop. It continued through to release of the tape and the second debate. We are still getting polls covering the period immediately after that, so things may yet change… but so far there has not been a further drop since those events.

In fact, we have seen an improvement for Trump since the last update:

  • The tipping point moved from Clinton by 6.5% in PA to Clinton by 5.4% in VA.
  • Clinton’s best case declined from a 226 EV win to only a 204 EV win.

The expected case and Trump’s best case remained the same.

Here are the charts:

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Both charts show a bit of improvement for Trump based on the last few days of polls.

Now, it might be wise to be cautious here. We are still going to get more polls covering this period. So these lines will move about some more. But it is also very possible that Trump hit his floor, and we’re now bouncing back a bit from that.

The public is very polarized. There is a percentage of Americans who will vote Democrat no matter what, and another percentage who will vote Republican no matter what. We may have seen both extremes of the how far things can change by those in the middle sloshing back and forth. If so, the extremes of this race go from a nearly tied race at Trump’s ceiling, to about a 188 electoral vote win for Clinton at her ceiling. Those are “expected case” numbers. In terms of the tipping point that translates into a Clinton lead of between approximately 0.5% and 6%.

Given recent news cycles and where things stand now, it currently seems as if a break through Trump’s floor is more likely than through his ceiling. As has been pointed out, a comeback from this far behind with this little time left would be unprecedented. But while it is possible that events may cause us to break out of that range, it seems very likely that when the votes come in on November 8th, we’ll find ourselves somewhere between those bounds.

But we shall see soon enough… 22.1 days left to go!

State Details

Moving out of Clinton’s reach

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The general trend in Indiana has been a steadily weakening lead for Trump. But with the latest polls, the average pops up to a 5.9% Trump lead, so for now, Indiana is no longer in the “could go either way” category.

State that changed the tipping point

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A note about McMullin

In the last week or two McMullin has spiked in Utah. Some individual polls show him within striking range of winning Utah. All of the current Election Graphs metrics and charts operate under the assumption that no third party has a realistic shot at winning electoral votes. I have had the outline of a contingency plan on how to modify the site to accommodate 3rd parties that might win electoral votes, but activating it would take quite a lot of work. If a 3rd candidate had gotten to that position a month or two ago, the site would definitely have been revamped to adjust for that possibility. As it is, there simply may not be time to do that before election day.

Right now the Real Clear Politics average in Utah, which includes McMullin, stands at Trump 31.8%, Clinton 25.5%, McMullin 22.8%, Johnson 8.8%, Stein 1.0%. (The Election Graphs Utah average currently stands at Trump 39.0%, Clinton 26.8%, but doesn’t yet include at least one poll that came out as this update was being finalized.) If and when the RCP average shows McMullin within 5% of the lead in the state, I will at the very least put notes at appropriate places on the site noting he has the possibility of winning 6 electoral votes. I will consider more substantial changes only if time allows.

For more information…

This post is an update based on the data on ElectionGraphs.com. Election Graphs tracks both a poll based estimate of the Electoral College and a numbers based look at the Delegate Races. All of the charts and graphs seen in this post are from that site. Additional graphs, charts and raw data can be found there. Follow @ElectionGraphs on Twitter or like Election Graphs on Facebook to see announcements of updates or to join the conversation. For those interested in individual general election poll updates, follow @ElecCollPolls on Twitter for all the polls as they are added. If you find the information in these posts interesting or useful, please consider visiting the tip jar.

Edit 22:51 UTC to add McMullin note.

@ElectionGraphs tweets from 2016-10-16 (UTC)

@ElecCollPolls tweets from 2016-10-16 (UTC)

@abulsme tweets from 2016-10-16 (UTC)

@ElectionGraphs tweets from 2016-10-15 (UTC)

@ElecCollPolls tweets from 2016-10-15 (UTC)

  • 03:11:25 Poll Added: PPP w/4P [2] in FL from 2016-10-12 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 46% to Trump 42% https://t.co/kCZ7PRX5sQ
  • 03:11:30 Full 4P results: PPP w/4P [2] in FL from 2016-10-12 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 46% to Trump 42% to Johnson 5% to Stein 1%
  • 03:13:46 Poll Added: PPP [2] in FL from 2016-10-12 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 49% to Trump 44% https://t.co/FI58Jf0hRW
  • 03:16:48 PPP also included another match up in their FL poll. Clinton 47%, Trump 42%, Bone 4%. Logged but not on site. :-)
  • 03:38:11 Poll Added: Monmouth w/3P in IN from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 41% to Trump 45% https://t.co/qhOGdjp8js
  • 03:38:16 Full 3P results: Monmouth w/3P in IN from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 41% to Trump 45% to Johnson 9%
  • 03:42:33 Poll Added: WBUR w/4P [3] in NH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 37% https://t.co/Bi60ulRkHA
  • 03:42:38 Full 4P results: WBUR w/4P [3] in NH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 37% to Johnson 11% to Stein 3%
  • 03:44:04 Poll Added: WBUR w/Lean w/4P [3] in NH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 38% https://t.co/HViuCRAFm1
  • 03:44:09 Full 4P results: WBUR w/Lean w/4P [3] in NH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 38% to Johnson 11% to Stein 3%
  • 03:45:35 Poll Added: WBUR [3] in NH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 46% to Trump 41% https://t.co/Wf4oDX7ZNi
  • 05:33:10 Poll Added: Landmark w/3P in GA from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 42.3% to Trump 47.8% https://t.co/UDRPqIRZlN
  • 05:33:15 Full 3P results: Landmark w/3P in GA from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 42.3% to Trump 47.8% to Johnson 4.3%
  • 05:38:00 Poll Added: Emerson w/4P in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 44.5% to Trump 43.0% https://t.co/GBTlYFyuFt
  • 05:38:05 Full 4P results: Emerson w/4P in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 44.5% to Trump 43.0% to Johnson 6.7% to Stein 1.6%
  • 05:41:03 Poll Added: Emerson w/4P in VA from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 46.1% to Trump 43.4% https://t.co/LIXYFQQFNL
  • 05:41:08 Full 4P results: Emerson w/4P in VA from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 46.1% to Trump 43.4% to Johnson 5.9% to Stein 0.3%
  • 05:41:21 Clinton vs Trump state category change: VA has moved from Strong Clinton to Weak Clinton https://t.co/LIXYFQQFNL
  • 06:02:43 Clinton vs Trump tipping point change: Clinton by 6.5% in PA -> Clinton by 4.8% in VA https://t.co/Tot3gcjFhK
  • 06:02:43 Trump best case vs Clinton has changed: Clinton 272 to Trump 266 -> Clinton 259 to Trump 279 https://t.co/Tot3gcjFhK
  • 06:05:54 Poll Added: Emerson w/4P in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45.8% to Trump 41.7% https://t.co/iybyhPaXn6
  • 06:05:59 Full 4P results: Emerson w/4P in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45.8% to Trump 41.7% to Johnson 5.2% to Stein 2.8%
  • 06:11:34 Poll Added: UML LV w/4P [2] in NH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 45% to Trump 39% https://t.co/u69xJZnfvN
  • 06:11:39 Full 4P results: UML LV w/4P [2] in NH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 45% to Trump 39% to Johnson 9% to Stein 2%
  • 06:13:24 Poll Added: UML RV w/4P [2] in NH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 43% to Trump 36% https://t.co/TIAJiMey2z
  • 06:13:29 Full 4P results: UML RV w/4P [2] in NH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 43% to Trump 36% to Johnson 11% to Stein 2%
  • 06:20:04 Poll Added: Marist LV [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 48% to Trump 43% https://t.co/E2GK9jNOUZ
  • 06:25:06 Poll Added: Marist RV [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 48% to Trump 41% https://t.co/x53AYR8WFk
  • 06:28:39 Poll Added: Marist LV w/3P [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45% to Trump 41% https://t.co/lM6Rtnauf6
  • 06:28:44 Full 3P results: Marist LV w/3P [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45% to Trump 41% to Johnson 9%
  • 06:29:50 Poll Added: Marist RV w/3P [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45% to Trump 39% https://t.co/VBBUoZKUtB
  • 06:29:55 Full 3P results: Marist RV w/3P [4] in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45% to Trump 39% to Johnson 10%
  • 06:34:12 Poll Added: Marist LV [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 45% to Trump 45% https://t.co/lg9Z0YPIBU
  • 06:35:46 Poll Added: Marist RV [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 44% to Trump 44% https://t.co/s9UGbTowwP
  • 06:39:00 Poll Added: Marist LV w/4P [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 42% https://t.co/PSowXHf03z
  • 06:39:05 Full 4P results: Marist LV w/4P [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 41% to Trump 42% to Johnson 9% to Stein 4%
  • 06:40:18 Poll Added: Marist RV w/4P [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 40% to Trump 40% https://t.co/bPpWm9i9h0
  • 06:40:23 Full 4P results: Marist RV w/4P [4] in OH from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 40% to Trump 40% to Johnson 10% to Stein 4%
  • 06:43:47 Poll Added: Mitchell w/4P in MI from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 47% to Trump 37% https://t.co/27A9K9CkaY
  • 06:43:52 Full 4P results: Mitchell w/4P in MI from 2016-10-11 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 47% to Trump 37% to Johnson 7% to Stein 4%
  • 06:47:22 Poll Added: Suffolk w/3P in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 44.80% to Trump 43.40% https://t.co/s7X3xh3Qr1
  • 06:47:27 Full 3P results: Suffolk w/3P in NC from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 44.80% to Trump 43.40% to Johnson 5.20%
  • 06:50:26 Poll Added: Selzer [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 49% to Trump 39% https://t.co/OKQhpDKBjW
  • 06:51:48 Poll Added: Selzer w/Lean [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 51% to Trump 42% https://t.co/mWI8WHozFH
  • 06:53:19 Poll Added: Selzer w/4P [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 47% to Trump 38% https://t.co/kCrvPTTIG9
  • 06:53:24 Full 4P results: Selzer w/4P [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 47% to Trump 38% to Johnson 6% to Stein 4%
  • 06:54:43 Poll Added: Selzer w/Lean w/4P [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 48% to Trump 39% https://t.co/gQL4pzRxub
  • 06:54:48 Full 4P results: Selzer w/Lean w/4P [4] in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 48% to Trump 39% to Johnson 6% to Stein 4%
  • 07:02:17 A Roanoke result I entered on the 13th wasn’t properly weighted as 0.5 poll. Just fixed it. This moved the tipping point to C+4.4% in VA.
  • 07:22:42 Clinton vs Trump tipping point change: Clinton by 4.8% in VA -> Clinton by 4.4% in VA https://t.co/tnLgBpLoYv
  • 16:47:07 Retweeted @ElectionGraphs 16:46:42 Election talk starts 10 minutes in -> [Blog Post] Curmudgeon's Corner: Keep Digging https://t.co/pW5iW8XM0z
  • 19:16:02 Poll Added: JMC w/3P in NV from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 43% to Trump 41% https://t.co/9iC8rcJLsA
  • 19:16:06 Full 3P results: JMC w/3P in NV from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-13 – Clinton 43% to Trump 41% to Johnson 4%
  • 19:20:19 Poll Added: SurveyUSA w/4P in OR from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 48% to Trump 38% https://t.co/kWjuWpDuQ2
  • 19:20:24 Full 4P results: SurveyUSA w/4P in OR from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 48% to Trump 38% to Johnson 6% to Stein 4%
  • 19:26:18 Poll Added: SurveyUSA w/4P in TX from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 43% to Trump 47% https://t.co/Hz3AKpbZtY
  • 19:26:23 Full 4P results: SurveyUSA w/4P in TX from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 43% to Trump 47% to Johnson 3% to Stein 1%
  • 19:26:39 Clinton vs Trump state category change: TX has moved from Solid Trump to Strong Trump https://t.co/Hz3AKpbZtY
  • 19:40:34 Poll Added: Remington w/4P in MO from 2016-10-09 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 42% to Trump 47% https://t.co/AVd5eTzVN3
  • 19:40:39 Full 4P results: Remington w/4P in MO from 2016-10-09 to 2016-10-11 – Clinton 42% to Trump 47% to Johnson 4% to Stein 1%
  • 19:46:06 Poll Added: Monmouth w/4P in UT from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 28% to Trump 34% https://t.co/7kBvq5iDyW
  • 19:46:11 Full 4P results: Monmouth w/4P in UT from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 28% to Trump 34% to Johnson 9% to Stein 1%
  • 19:46:26 Clinton vs Trump state category change: UT has moved from Solid Trump to Strong Trump https://t.co/7kBvq5iDyW
  • 19:47:27 Note the Monmouth UT poll also included McMullin at 20%. in reply to ElecCollPolls
  • 20:40:53 Poll Added: Mason-Dixon w/3P in MT from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 36% to Trump 46% https://t.co/0ierz7ULLD
  • 20:40:58 Full 3P results: Mason-Dixon w/3P in MT from 2016-10-10 to 2016-10-12 – Clinton 36% to Trump 46% to Johnson 11%
  • 20:51:41 Poll Added: Lucid w/4P in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 46% to Trump 39% https://t.co/BoFe3OjIjl
  • 20:51:46 Full 4P results: Lucid w/4P in PA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 46% to Trump 39% to Johnson 6% to Stein 2%
  • 21:00:36 Poll Added: Lucid w/4P in IA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 42% to Trump 37% https://t.co/CFU8Q7L7Pm
  • 21:00:41 Full 4P results: Lucid w/4P in IA from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 42% to Trump 37% to Johnson 10% to Stein 2%
  • 21:03:56 Poll Added: Lucid w/4P in OH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 44% to Trump 39% https://t.co/YAYJza9tok
  • 21:04:01 Full 4P results: Lucid w/4P in OH from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 44% to Trump 39% to Johnson 7% to Stein 2%
  • 21:10:22 Poll Added: Lucid w/4P in IN from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 36% to Trump 44% https://t.co/BrMAFYNmtB
  • 21:10:27 Full 4P results: Lucid w/4P in IN from 2016-10-07 to 2016-10-10 – Clinton 36% to Trump 44% to Johnson 10% to Stein 3%
  • 21:10:42 Clinton vs Trump state category change: IN has moved from Weak Trump to Strong Trump https://t.co/BrMAFYNmtB
  • 21:28:04 Clinton best case vs Trump has changed: Clinton 382 to Trump 156 -> Clinton 371 to Trump 167 https://t.co/dxESwol7QR
  • 23:44:14 Poll Added: FAU in FL from 2016-10-05 to 2016-10-09 – Clinton 49% to Trump 43% https://t.co/zzjCjG7uZl

@abulsme tweets from 2016-10-15 (UTC)

Curmudgeon’s Corner: Keep Digging

This week on Curmudgeon’s Corner we’re in the home stretch to the election, so that pretty much is the whole show. How can it not be? The second debate. Aftermath from the Trump tapes. Sexual assault allegations. GOP civil war. And yes, Wikileaks too. What a week!

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Recorded 2016-10-13
Length this week – 1:52:29

  • (0:00:10-0:08:52) But First
    • Agenda
    • Planes, Trains, and YouTube
  • (0:10:52-0:55:40) Election 2016 – Part 1
    • Grading on a curve
    • Bill’s women
    • Trump’s tape defense
    • New assault allegations
    • Lawsuits
    • Sexual assault
    • Impact on the race
  • (0:56:29-1:16:25) Election 2016 – Part 2
    • Sniffling
    • Another assault?
    • Donald’s daughters
    • Clinton jail threat
    • Conflict with Pence?
    • Body language
    • Trump positions?
    • Winner?
    • More Trump defences
    • SNL
  • (1:17:40-1:52:08) Election 2016 – Part 3
    • Wikileaks emails
    • Feedback
    • Downballot GOP
    • McMullin
    • Polling update
    • Russia messing with election?
    • Unshackled and Unhinged

 

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@ElectionGraphs tweets from 2016-10-14 (UTC)