- .@imbou I know that was your point, I just think the implications to oversight or lack thereof are more important than anything abt Snowden. in reply to imbou 00:00:38
- .@imbou And I still say they would have figured out it was him before too long. :-) [I just don't think it matters much.] in reply to imbou 00:02:11
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- RT @imbou: @abulsme I agree the oversight sucked! The problem all were talking is Miranda, his lawyers, yeah I am sure there were no contr… 00:05:02
- RT @imbou: @abulsme at the same time I don't think there was a programmatic effort to break the law either 00:05:11
- .@imbou I believe there was no programatic effort to break the administrations twisted interpretation of the law. in reply to imbou 00:06:06
- .@imbou But more & more I am agreeing with the notion that the whole program may be illegal if you don't buy the odd use of "relevant", etc. in reply to imbou 00:07:09
- .@imbou Not to mention whole 4th amendment concern, although courts so far have gone other way on that, slowly eroding all meaning from 4th. in reply to imbou 00:08:17
- RT @imbou: @abulsme no because there were no controls!!!!!! 00:08:48
- RT @imbou: @abulsme every law has an interpretation, well educated people will always differ, I was going over a few legal points today and… 00:12:26
- .@imbou Of course, always room for reasonable disagreement. But not when you just redefine words arbitrarily to get the result you want. in reply to imbou 00:13:46
- .@imbou Should not have cases where the "interpretation" is so far from the plain reading of the text as to be unrecognizable. in reply to imbou 00:14:39
- RT @imbou: @abulsme which is why I hated the law as written in the first place the whole thing should be scrapped 00:14:48
- .@imbou At least on that we agree. :-) in reply to imbou 00:15:54
- RT @imbou: @abulsme that's your opinion and you are very literal usually 00:16:20
- .@imbou I give you that I can be pretty literal, but don't have to be all that literal to think that "relevant" doesn't mean "everything". in reply to imbou 00:17:11
- .@imbou Or that you aren't "collecting" when you save copies of things, as long as you don't look at it. in reply to imbou 00:18:07
- RT @imbou: @abulsme the laws were way way way too broad, there was no advocate for privacy or the other position it was a bad set up all ar… 00:18:15
- .@imbou You always expect vague laws 2b applied in the broadest way possible, but in this case even law's authors stunned by interpretation. in reply to imbou 00:19:28
- RT @imbou: @abulsme the whole is probably unconstitutional but the court has failed to see it that way 00:19:35
- .@imbou Yup. Unfortunately. in reply to imbou 00:20:05
- RT @imbou: @abulsme you have always had this complaint as far as I remember but this what happens when bad laws get written 00:20:09
- .@imbou If you allow admin to define words however they want, no law is safe, admin can make any law mean whatever they want. in reply to imbou 00:21:22
- .@imbou The interpretations should have to at least somewhat resemble the plain reading. Otherwise, might as well just get rid of congress. in reply to imbou 00:22:49
- .@imbou Although actually… now that I mention that possibility… they ARE pretty useless, so maybe… in reply to imbou 00:23:28
- RT @imbou: @abulsme this is what happens laws are crappy, Clinton really believes he didn't have sex with Monica according to his interpret… 00:23:33
- .@imbou At least in that case, a good deal of the population DOES use the word sex in a way that does NOT include what Clinton/Lewinski did. in reply to imbou 00:24:22
- RT @imbou: @abulsme well they are the morons that pushed this crap legislation without thinking the implications. I am not impressed by th… 00:24:30
- .@imbou OK. You win on that one. :-) in reply to imbou 00:24:41
- RT @imbou: @abulsme how about they write a law with good oversight and review and opposition advocacy instead of here do surveillance we tr… 00:24:47
- .@imbou Ha! Like congress would ever do that! They don't WANT that responsibility! in reply to imbou 00:25:14
- RT @imbou: @abulsme if you totally leave it to them of course they will fin the interpretation most beneficial to their view!!!! 00:25:19
- .@imbou Congress should be hopping up and down and impeaching whenever an admin "interprets" their laws too broadly… But… in reply to imbou 00:26:26
- .@imbou But of course, each party supports their own prez, and congress as a whole never stands up for congressional rights. in reply to imbou 00:27:40
- .@imbou As a congressperson, I should be pissed at the pref violating law, even if I think the law is wrong and the prez right on principle. in reply to imbou 00:28:53
- RT @imbou: @abulsme they need to their job and congress barely passes anything anymore which makes what gets through awful 00:29:33
- .@imbou "Checks and Balances" requires congress & courts that are NOT deferential 2 executive branch and stand up 4 selves. Don't have that. in reply to imbou 00:31:10
- RT @imbou: @abulsme so if you passed a law and let Clinton be the arbiter of what sex means, that's what you get!!! 00:31:16
- RT @imbou: @abulsme ha! 00:31:53
- RT @imbou: @abulsme not in a long time, no 00:31:57
- RT @imbou: @abulsme I think the courts have proved more inclined to defend their turf but not congress, and every day they don't makes it w… 00:35:00
- .@imbou The court does stand up sometimes, but has also shown a lot of deference to the executive and the expansion of presidential power. in reply to imbou 00:35:40
- For more of this conversation between myself and @imbou, tune into the next Curmudgeon's Corner! :-) http://t.co/lT3e55Fr4V 00:35:45
- RT @imbou: @abulsme agreed 00:38:03
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